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Nucor is the largest steel manufacturer and recycler in North America. The company, founded in 1905, produces a variety of steel sheet products, bar products, and more through its steel mills segment, which serves steel service centers, fabricators, and manufacturers across North America. Nucor also operates through its steel products and raw materials segments. In addition to production, the company is involved in the steel trading, rebar distribution, and piling distribution businesses.

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Good morning, and welcome to Nucor's Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise, and today's call is being recorded. After the speakers' prepared remarks, I will provide instructions to callers wishing to ask any questions. I'd now like to introduce Jack Sullivan, Vice President, Treasurer and General Manager of Investor Relations to begin your call.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Nucor's second quarter earnings review and business update. Leading our call today is Leon Topalian, Chair, President and CEO along with Steve Laxton, Executive Vice President and CFO. Other members of Nucor's executive team are also here with us today and may participate during the Q and A portion of the call. Yesterday, we posted our second quarter earnings release and investor presentation to Nucor's IR website.

We encourage you to access these materials as we will cover portions of them during the call. Today's discussion will include the use of non GAAP financial measures and forward looking information within the meaning of securities laws. Actual results may be different than forward looking statements and involve risks outlined in our Safe Harbor statement and disclosed in Nucor's SEC filings. The appendix of today's presentation includes supplemental information and disclosures along with a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures. So with that, let's turn the call over to Leon.

Thanks Jack. Now I want to begin by thanking our 33,000 Nucor teammates for delivering a solid quarter both in terms of financial results and our safety performance. Amid all the uncertainty and distractions, you have remained focused on executing our growth strategy and creating value for our shareholders, customers and communities. And you did it all while setting another all time safety record for the first half of any year. Thank you for your vigilance and focus and never losing sight of our most important value.

Let's continue to carry that momentum into the back half of the year. To recap some of the second quarter financials, Nucor generated EBITDA of approximately 1,300,000,000 and earned $2.6 per diluted share. This represents a significant improvement over our first quarter results driven by higher average selling prices in our steel mill segment and stable realized pricing and higher volumes in our steel products segment. During the quarter, we returned $329,000,000 to Nucor shareholders through dividends and buybacks, bringing our total capital return to shareholders for the first half of the year to $758,000,000 Capital expenditures for the quarter totaled $954,000,000 and we remain on track to deploy approximately $3,000,000,000 in CapEx for the year. Our team continues to execute well and I'd like to highlight just a few of our accomplishments for the quarter.

Production levels and shipments at our Brandenburg Plate Mill trended higher for a sixth consecutive quarter. Shipments in June reached another record helping Brandenburg achieve positive EBITDA for the quarter. Meanwhile, Brandenburg's product development team continues to strengthen its market position with key customers for complex grades of steel plate that we have not been able to produce prior. I'd also like to recognize our entire sheet making group for shipping nearly 3,100,000 tons during the second quarter, marking the second consecutive quarter where the sheet group has set a new shipment record. In particular, I'd like to congratulate our team at Gallatin Sheet Mill in Kentucky for setting a new monthly shipping record during the quarter.

On our first quarter earnings call, I mentioned our structural steel backlog reaching historically high levels and that set us up nicely for strong shipments in the second quarter. Nucor's BEAM team delivered shipping over 630,000 tons and generating the highest quarterly earnings for this business since 2022 and the fourth highest of all time. On the growth front, our construction teams continue to make great progress as we near completion of several important capital projects. A rebar micro mill in Lexington, North Carolina recently rolled its first heat and is now in the early stages of ramping up production. And the team in Kingman, Arizona has successfully melted, cast and rolled several heats out of its new melt shop and it will be ramping up production throughout the third quarter.

For Nucor Towers and Structures, pole production and galvanizing operations in Alabama are set to begin by September with customer shipments beginning in the fourth quarter. Our Indiana Greenfield project is set to commence full operations by the 2026 with customer shipments beginning in the second quarter. Within sheet, we remain on schedule to complete our coating complex in Crawfordsville, Indiana by the 2025 and our galvanizing line in Berkeley, South Carolina by the 2026 and the construction of our new West Virginia Sheet Mill is nearly 60% complete and remains on track for completion by the 2026. A key driver of our quarterly results came from the strong performance of our steel products group. We have grown this business to become the broadest and most diverse portfolio of downstream steel products in North America, allowing Nucor to offer a wide variety of solutions for our customers.

For the entire segment, second quarter pre tax earnings were $392,000,000 a 28% increase over the adjusted results of the previous quarter. In fact, pre tax earnings for each of the main product groups comprising this segment were in line with or above Q1 levels. On an LTM basis, the steel products segment accounted for 45% of Nucor's total pretax segment earnings with EBITDA margins of approximately 16%. Both of these metrics remain significantly higher than their respective pre pandemic averages. Tariff policy continues to evolve, but has been positive for the steel industry overall.

We support the administration's recent actions to strengthen the Section two thirty two program by increasing the tariffs to 50%. We also applaud the Commerce Department's decision earlier this year to expand the review of steel derivative products covered by the Section two thirty two tariffs and for implementing a transparent inclusions process. These steps will help to curb the volume of unfairly traded imports and protect our national security. However, dumped and subsidized imports continue to persist and the vigorous enforcement of our trade laws is needed now more than ever. Nucor and other domestic producers have been injured by elevated levels of unfairly traded corrosion resistant imports in recent years and filed trade positions on core imports from 10 countries last September.

Nucor is pleased with the preliminary determinations from the U. S. Commerce Department and U. S. International Trade Commission in these investigations and we anticipate affirmative final determinations from both agencies later this summer and fall.

The Commerce Department and ITC have also initiated investigations into rebar imports from four countries with the ITC issuing an affirmative preliminary injury determination earlier this month. Affirmative determinations in these cases and other trade proceedings are critical to ensuring a level playing field for the steel industry in America. We are optimistic that the administration's vigorous enforcement of our trade laws and the strengthened Section two thirty two program will result in a sustained reduction of imports into our market. We're also monitoring the evolving country specific tariff negotiations and their impact on raw material cost. Nucor's raw material supply chain is advantaged by having a broader set of capabilities than any other steel producer in North America.

That diversity, along with our world class sourcing and logistics teams, give us flexibility to source raw materials in a way that optimizes our cost structure and adapt to this highly dynamic situation. Beyond trade policy, we were pleased to see the tax provisions and manufacturing incentives contained in the new legislation signed into law earlier this month. We expect the bill will lead to further economic growth and boost our competitiveness as a nation. It will unleash new investments in steel intensive projects and promote the reshoring of vital manufacturing while enhancing our national security. And as North America's largest and most capable steel products company, Nucor is incredibly well positioned to support this growth.

With that, let me turn it over to Steve who will share additional details about our second quarter performance, the current demand environment for steel and our outlook for the third quarter. Steve?

Thank you, Leon, and thank you all for joining us on the call this morning. During the second quarter, Nucor generated net earnings of $6.00 $3,000,000 or $2.6 a share, right at the midpoint of our earnings guidance range. This represents a substantial improvement over the prior quarter adjusted earnings per share of $0.77 and is similar to the reported $2.68 earnings per share during the second quarter of last year. Year to date Nucor's adjusted earnings were $782,000,000 or $3.37 a share. Our second quarter results included pre operating and startup cost of approximately $136,000,000 or $0.45 per share.

This is down $34,000,000 compared to the prior quarter and in line with the prior year second quarter. Turning to the segment level results for the quarter, the steel mills segment generated eight forty three million dollars of pre tax earnings more than triple that of the prior quarter. Higher average selling prices particularly in our sheet and plate operations were the largest drivers of the change in profitability. Total volume for the steel mills segment was in line with prior quarter as increases in sheet, plate and beam shipments were offset by lower bar shipments. We continue to see solid and steady booking rates and our steel mills backlog at the end of the second quarter was up nearly 30% over this time last year.

To comment briefly on the pricing environment, we would describe it as broadly stable. Our published consumer spot price for HRC has been within 5% band of either side of $900 a ton for the past sixteen weeks. During this period, we shipped record sheet volumes and our sheet backlog at the end of the second quarter was 15% higher than the same time last year. As for rebar and MBQ products, we've recently announced price increases that take our average selling price for both products above the respective thirteen and fifty two week averages. We continue to see healthy overall demand for long products and we expect lower rebar imports during the second half of the year.

Turning to Steel Products, as Leon mentioned earlier, we saw another strong performance in this segment. During the second quarter, Products generated pre tax earnings of $392,000,000 up 28 over the prior quarter's adjusted basis. Results were driven by stable realized pricing and higher volumes leading to our best earnings quarter for this segment since the 2024. Similar to steel mills, our backlog levels for the steel product segment remain healthy, up approximately 20% from a year ago and extending into 2026 for some products. We continue to see strong demand as evidenced by robust quoting activity and believe this reflects improved business confidence among our customers servicing the construction and infrastructure markets.

In joist and deck, we're now seeing pricing for new orders at levels that are approaching our average backlog pricing. As a result, prices and margins in this business are expected to stabilize above pre pandemic levels by end of the year. Turning to raw materials segment, we realized pretax earnings of approximately $57,000,000 for the quarter, an increase of approximately 95% over the first quarter. Results were in line with expectations with stable volumes and pricing and lower operating expenses. Moving to the balance sheet, Nucor remains committed to maintaining a strong investment grade credit profile.

Nucor's credit ratings are the highest of any North American steel producer and we have long believed that our financial strength is a competitive advantage, allowing us to execute our strategy through various phases of the economic cycle. During the quarter, we retired $1,000,000,000 in long term debt with proceeds from our senior notes issued in March. We ended the second quarter with a total debt to capital ratio of approximately 24% in cash of approximately $2,500,000,000 Our next substantial maturity is not until 2027 and more than 80% of our long term debt maturities are after 02/1930. In addition to maintaining a strong balance sheet, a cornerstone of Nucor's capital allocation framework is to provide a meaningful direct return to shareholders. During the second quarter, we returned $329,000,000 to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases.

When combined with the first quarter, we've returned $758,000,000 of cash to shareholders representing nearly 100% of Nucor's year to date net earnings. During the same period, we've repurchased approximately 4,000,000 shares at a weighted average value of approximately $124 a share. Leon covered some of the factors impacting our markets, but now I'd like to touch on four of the larger macro themes that are driving demand. First, technology and advanced manufacturing. Since the passage of the CHIPS Act in 2022, we've seen announcements of over 90 technology and advanced manufacturing projects totaling over $450,000,000,000 in private investments.

And that momentum is accelerated in 2025. These projects take time to move from announcement to construction, but we're seeing increased bidding and new order activity. We're currently supplying steel to eight large semiconductor facilities now under construction, which all require beam, rebar, joist and deck and other downstream products. Second, infrastructure demand remains strong, driven by funds allocated and now flowing to projects under the IIJA. We've seen notable increases in public transit, highway bridge and tunnel contract awards and our bar and plate teams are responding to this demand.

Nucor's bar shipments were 13% higher in the first half of the year, while New Kors plate shipments to the bridge market hit a record in the second quarter and rose 35% for the 2025. We also anticipate higher steel tube demand later this year as contracts progress for unfinished sections of the border wall. Third, energy. In the energy sector, Nucor has seen exceptional growth in power transmission with the first half shipments to this market up 88% year over year. We've also seen significant increases in steel shipments related to solar and onshore wind projects and the recently enacted tax policy will likely lead to some incremental pull ahead tons over the coming year.

Additionally, our Brandenburg facility has been certified to supply line pipe for both LNG and oil pipeline projects, opening up new opportunities in this expanding market. Last but not least, data centers. Construction in this market remains particularly strong. According to the Dodge Construction Network, spending from construction starts is projected to grow 18% this year and an additional 26% in 2026. Our beam orders for this segment have increased significantly and serve as a precursor to incremental demand for a variety of downstream products that Nucor supplies.

We expect these growing market segments will continue to drive demand for steel and steel products for the foreseeable future. Turning to the third quarter outlook, we expect Nucor's consolidated earnings to be nominally lower than in the second quarter. In the steel mill segment, despite resilient backlogs and stable demand, we expect modest margin compression compared to the second quarter. In both the steel products and raw material segments, earnings are expected to be similar to the second quarter. For steel products, we expect slightly lower profitability in tubular and joist and deck offset by improved performance in other business lines.

As we look ahead to the 2025, our expectation is that domestic steel demand will be higher than it was in the 2024 and with the broadest range of capabilities in the North American steel market. We are confident in our ability to create value for our customers and shareholders as we capture a healthy share of that demand. And with that, we'd like to hear from you and answer any questions you may have. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Thank you very much. We now have to open the lines for Q Our first question comes from Bill Peterson from JPMorgan. Bill, your line is now open.

Good morning and thanks for taking my question. On the steel products, you mentioned the margin compression. Can you break that down for us? Is that a statement of higher input cost? I guess how should we think about pricing directionally, kind of flattish on a blended basis from the second to the third quarter? Trying to get a sense before the margin expands in the fourth quarter on how we should think about the puts and takes.

Yes, Bill, let me kick it off and then maybe I'll ask John Hollis, our EVP of that group to touch on a few things. But I want to begin with thanking the men and women of the Nucor family. This is the safest start to the first half of any year in the history of our company and I couldn't be more proud of how our team continues to generate and take care of one another in our most important value. Every metric, every result that we will talk about today and moving on are generated through those team members. And again, to see that value exemplified as the safest first half of any year is an incredible achievement.

So thank you for that. The second, to your question specifically, Bill, look, it's a great question. You And know, we're talking earlier this morning before we got on the call. If we think about the resiliency of non res construction and the construction market in general, that took off really post COVID and it has remained robust for a long period of time, and we anticipate that remaining robust. '24 was not particularly great year.

And but as we look at the strength of their backlog, you're pushing six to nine months out. So really what the nominal adjustment that we see in pricing isn't because the demand drivers are weak, it's the lag effect that many of those orders were taken in late Q4, early Q1 of this year are now being realized and sold under that under those pricing. And so in fact, we've just recently announced a price increase last week. So again, the demand drivers for this segment are really robust and we expect them to remain that way again throughout the rest of this year and quite frankly beyond. And so again, it's a incredibly important strong contributor to our business segment.

We're proud of all the groups that make up that family. But, again, as we move forward, we see strength in that market.

Yes, Bill. This is John Hollis. Again, it's very normal for us to have margin expansion and contraction as we have movements in steel prices. Steve pointed to the joist and deck market and what we expect out of that in the second half of the year. Some of our you got to remember, we have a dozen different businesses in our downstream portfolio.

Some of those backlogs are nine months out, so we have good visibility as to what those margins would look like. Some of those backlogs are six weeks out. So there's a lot of variation in that. But I think it's important to note that many of these downstream businesses are custom engineered products that have value added solutions, and our teams have done an excellent job of separating pricing from movements in raw materials and really redefine the earnings profile of these businesses. And Leon as Leon mentioned, demand remains solid and we're optimistic about the future of downstream products.

Thanks for that. And also thanks for highlighting the safety performance, strong results on that. My second question is on the steel mills. And nice to see utilization trends in the first half of the year. But among the steel products, which are running a relatively lower utilization?

Or said another way, what is your biggest or best opportunities to displace imports as we look ahead to the second half of the year?

Yes. Look, I'd tell you that that really sits across the board. Our capability set is the most diverse within all North American steel producers. So whether we're talking tubular, joist deck, rebar, but there are some opportunities, right? We're running roughly 85% utilization rates across the steel mill segment.

So again, there's more opportunities in sheet. There's more opportunities in our plate group. We have more opportunities in rebar and some of our long products. But again, we're well positioned to supply those. And again, we don't just simply produce to stack backlogs up.

We're producing the orders in most every case. And so we're meeting the demand where it's at and, again, have the flexibility to adapt and adjust very quickly. While we're, pleased to see what import levels are doing and and coming down in that 21%, they're still too high. We need to be in the low teens. And quite frankly, the North American steel industry can supply the needs of what's being required without having those imports come into The United States.

So we're gonna continue to advocate for strong fair trade and balanced trade for, again, illegal imports being dumped and subsidized on the shores of The US.

Yeah. Thanks, Leon, and congrats on the strong execution.

You very much. Next question comes from Lawson Winder from Bank of America Securities. Lawson, your line is now open.

Thank you, operator, and good morning, Leon. Good morning, Steve. Thank you for today's update. If I could ask about Lexington and Kingman and those ramp ups, congratulations on getting those to the cost of being fully operational. Could you speak to the pre operating start up costs and the period by period outlook for those assets as they start contributing to EBITDA positively?

Yes, Lawson, look, I'm going to touch on a couple of things and then let Steve kick off into the pre operating start up cost as they move through that start up. But I want to begin with thanking our Lexington, North Carolina team and then that MicroBell and their start up and congratulating them on their safety and how hard they've continued to focus on our customers and bring that mill up. We're excited about what this mill is gonna do. It's our third micro mill in the fleet, alongside Frostproof and Sedalia. And again, it's a market segment we know really well.

We're excited about where that's geographically located as well in the Atlanta corridor. And so again, we look for great things to come from them as they continue their startup into Q3 and Q4. And as well at Kingman, Arizona, we're proud of the team that they've started their melt shop up now and will continue to ramp up in that asset. Again, it's geographically positioned incredibly well also in a market that's growing and continues to grow. The other point I'll mention maybe before Steve or Randy may want to share a few additional comments is you're starting to see the move into Nucor's bottom lines throughout the segment of contributors like our team in Nucor Brandenburg and the plate mill and the things that they've done there and ramping up, Nucor Gallatin and our sheet mill and their delivery.

But we've got yet to fully realize the impacts of all of that to the bottom line. So Brandenburg is going to continue to ramp Gallatin Lexington, North Carolina, Kingman, Arizona, our towers and structures plants in Alabama, Indiana that will start up later this year in the spring next as well as the Utah towers plant that will begin late next year. The Galve lines at Crawfordsville and Nucor, Berkeley and finally West Virginia. So you're seeing the start of the bottom line being impacted today, which again will decrease the overhang of the pre operating and startup cost. But the momentum and the pent up earnings power of Nucor is just now coming online.

And so over the next months and years, I love our strategy, our positioning, the customers and capability sets we're going to be able to serve and how that's going to position Nucor to achieve the highest highs we've ever achieved and the highest lows. So with that, Steve, maybe make a few comments on our pre operating costs.

Lawson, how are you doing? The pre op start up cost came down quite a bit quarter over quarter. And the real driver on that is the Brandenburg team getting to breakeven more so than some of the bar mills, although they're doing an excellent job as well. Just the sheer size of it, that's the one that's impacted the most. And I think if you're thinking about what to model out for the second of the year, you're probably going to be in that 140,000,000 to $150,000,000 a quarter range for the back half of the year.

And Leon highlighted where we are. We're marching through we're about three fourths of the way through this major capital investment plan that we've had to reposition our company. He alluded to it, but you'll see those figures start to come down a little bit later. It will lag our capital spending plans.

Thanks for that. That's fantastic, guys. If I could follow-up on Brandenburg. What utilization rate is the asset now currently operating? And then just how do you see that trending for Q3 and Q4?

Lawson, this is Brad Ford. I'm happy to take that one. First of I'd just congratulate the Brandenburg team and really the entire playgroup for the major step forward in Q2. We had record production, record shipments. The team achieved some pretty significant reductions in operating expenses and efficiencies.

And then we also had some key achievements in product development all contributing to that EBITDA positive Q2. Those are all records we expect to continue to break every quarter going forward, right, simply in Q3 and again in Q4. So we're very proud of that team. One of the things we talk about at Brandenburg versus you talk about capacity utilization. It's really the story is around the capabilities of that mill, and what that brings to the playgroup.

And we saw that play out in some some key end use markets in q two, specifically in the bridge side. You know, bridge demand has been very, very strong, and and over 20% of our playgroup shipments in q two were only Brandenburg sizes. So prior to Brandenburg, tons that we couldn't participate in, customers we couldn't participate with. On the energy side, we saw onshore wind, power transmission and line pipe, all very robust. As we mentioned in the opening comments, Brandenburg was approved by some large line pipe manufacturers.

We expect this to be a larger part of our order book in the quarters ahead. So really it's a story of capability over capacity and the addition of Brandenburg's capabilities has us extremely well positioned to really be the supplier of choice. And we're pretty excited about the balance of this year and as we roll into '26.

Thank you very much for that. Appreciate it. Best of luck to you

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Katya Chanky from BMO Capital Markets. Katya, your line is now open.

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. Maybe going back to the 3Q outlook, specifically to the mill segment. So you expect volumes and pricing to be relatively stable, but also are calling for margin compression. Can you talk a bit more about what's driving that margin compression expectation?

Yes, Katya. I'll touch on that. Look, it's a few things. One, if we step back and look at the entire tariff picture, we certainly looked at that and put baked some of that into our forecast. So as we think about the impact to slabs, impact to raw materials, if, the impact of the tariffs to Brazil come into effect on Friday, That still remains to be seen that could have some impact.

However, I'll I'll touch on that in in in a moment, but, you know, that that's a part of it. And the second, you know, part of that forecast is really around, again, the lag effect. We touched on that a few minutes ago with the impact to our product segment where they're realizing that pricing delta that's now flowing through the system that is at lower pricing levels. But again, the drivers and the demand drivers beyond that remain incredibly robust. So as we move into q three and beyond, we're gonna start realizing those higher selling prices and again that will adjust.

But those are the two drivers that are impacting why we potentially see nominal adjustment. But again, there's some upside as well if certain things happen. But I don't want to just leave that overhang there with a comment around the tariffs. As we think about the raw material flexibility that we have, it's as broad and vast as any steelmaker in North America. And so, Al, maybe just touch on a few of the things that we're doing, the flexibility of our raw materials thing and why if, again, Katya, the tariffs go into effect on Friday, why we will not feel the full impact of those to our bottom line?

Sure, Leon. I'd be happy to. Katya, it's Al

Baer. So to unpack a bit what Leon is mentioning there, I'd start with those comments about our raw materials team having the broadest capability of any steel producer in North America. In simple terms, we're built for this. This is why we stay in game day shape and we're ready to play right now. And that team is getting it done.

This is their time to shine and they are really performing. When we think about Brazil, there's really two key inputs that we buy from Brazil. One is DRI pellets and the other is pig iron. And so as we think about DRI pellets, we've already taken the steps needed to mitigate that 50% tariff from Brazil. So we've done that through changes to our supply, our global sourcing for those pellets and through the mix that we feed those DRI plants.

So the DRI issue is largely taken care of. When we shift to pig iron then I think it's helpful to first put our usage into perspective. So today, Katya, pig iron represents 7% to 8% of our melt across the enterprise. If you look back five years or so that would be double that. And so one example of this flexibility was the the invasion of Ukraine.

You know, at that time, Russia and Ukraine were 50% of our pig supply. And we we pivoted very quickly in a very agile fashion and never missed a quality spec, never missed a customer commitment, and shifted our supply, pulling the levers we have to pull to react and and respond. So as we sit here today then with with pig iron, we would expect to do largely the same thing and and pivot our supply and and pull the levers that that we have to pull. Some of those are shifting to alternate supply like DRI, like low copper shred. You think about our DRI supply, it's internal.

It's stable. Both of our DRI plants are world class amongst their peers, absolutely world class, and have become a top performer for the supply chain for our steel mills. The other is low copper shred. That's that's not directly an HQ high quality metallic substitute, but it's part of that picture. And we've grown significantly in low copper shred production, and we expect to grow more into the future.

So I I I just summarize our positioning in in this way that this environment, it's very challenging and it's very fluid, but it's exactly the type of environment that we've built this team to handle. And and they're executing that strategy with skill and precision. And it it just gives us up other options that that other producers don't have.

That's super helpful. Just to to confirm, basically, what I'm hearing is that you're preparing for the 50% tariffs from Brazil to go into effect on August 1. So if they don't if they actually do not go into effect, there's upside to your current expectations. Is is that fair?

Yeah. Look, I think there's a lot of variables that could create some upside. But again, what our jobs are to make sure we provide a realistic forecast for you to estimate what we think the earnings are going to be. And so again, let's talk in a week and we'll let you know whether or not those things come to pass. So until that time, yeah, don't want to speculate on what could be, but we've built our models to accordingly and again to put the risk mitigators there in place so that again we can pivot very quickly should they come to pass.

Perfect. Thank you. I'll hop back into the queue.

Thank you so much. Our next question comes from Tristan Greta from BNP Paribas. Tristan, your line is now open.

Yes, hi. Thank you for taking my questions. Just a quick follow-up on the raw material costs. Have you seen any tariff led cost already in Q2 on the BRI buying or life cover or anything? Was there anything in the average cost in Q2?

All right. That's clear. And then my second question, I think in your presentation, you talked about the beautiful bill potential impact. Could you maybe go a bit more in details? And if you've been able to quantify and time those impacts, that would be appreciated. And maybe just a last question on the working capital.

Look, had a big build in H1. I'm not sure if that's also some raw material inventory strategy ahead of the tariffs. If you can share any type of outlook into H2 for your working capital, that'd be great as well. Thank you.

Okay. I I I certainly got the front end of the question. I'm I'm not sure I've I've got the the back end, but I'll let Steve answer that. If look. If I I begin from the macro, the one big beautiful bill, I I think certainty certainly comes into play, certainly of what the corporate tax rate is gonna be.

And and again, now we can begin building, you know, certain things out. I think the other incentives for, reshoring are are certainly there. And again, when you think about reshoring, Nucor sits at the tip of the spear of all of that. We're the best, most diverse, well positioned steel company to provide everything that's going in the ground and above. And so again, our diversity of range of capabilities offers incredible opportunities.

You know, I I don't know if Brad mentioned it a few minutes ago, but when you think about Brandenburg and its offering today, it is the widest, heaviest, broadest range of plate capable products in The United States. And so now as we think about long term partnerships with defense, military applications and beyond, it offers great exposure and, again, pull through for other products. So within that bill, you see $47,000,000,000 for funding for the border wall that we, again, sit at the ready poised, not only because we have it, but because we did it prior in the first administration. We've got 29,000,000,000 slated for shipbuilding, again, back to Brandenburg and the capability set in in our plate ranges. 150,000,000,000 in defense spending that, again, we see sit in a very enviable position to be poised to supply all of that.

And then again, if I pull back one one layer one level higher from the the bill itself, over the last six months, you've seen commitments from companies, that are in the top fortune 50 of this nation that amount announced $2,000,000,000,000 of investment into The United States Of America. Again, Nucor sits incredibly well positioned, to to do everything from the data centers, the energy, the markets, the clean, and and clean manufacturing, the advanced manufacturing, all of those areas, again, from shipbuilding to bridges to defense and military, again, I I think are wonderful pull throughs. And, again, I think this bill is gonna be very advantageous for the steel industry, but quite frankly, as a whole.

Tristan, this is Steve. And just to address the last part of your question about working capital changes, and it ties in with Leon's response about some positive demand trends. But it was a large factor working capital build is a large factor of why we had negative free cash flows for the first half

year. We had roughly six a little north of $620,000,000 of capital usage in our operating working capital build just in the second quarter alone. That's not abnormal given the price trends and the volume trends we've seen. That's not all that surprising. But I think what that sets up really well is a very constructive pivot toward the second half of the year where we expect a dramatic change in free cash flow profile in the back half of the year compared with the first half of the year.

And that's driven in part by the working capital usage in the first half, but also capital spending was very, very high in the first half of the year. So it really sets up a very nice the market conditions along with our position in the market set up a very nice free cash flow outlook for the second half.

Thank you so much. Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs from KeyBanc. Phil, your line is now open.

Sticking with the big beautiful bill question, Steve, are there any direct tax benefits to you all in the back half of the year for 2026?

Yes. Hey, Phil. Actually, it's relatively limited. The construct of that bill is a little bit forward facing, if you will, in that many of our projects are already underway. Some of the largest spend we've got, it does probably have the most pronounced effect for us in R and D spending and the ability to accelerate that into expensing that right upfront rather than amortizing it over seven years.

So we'll have some very positive net present value benefits with that regard, maybe not as large as you might expect given the capital spending that we're undertaking.

Okay. And then I have one follow-up just on the cost side. So the slab piece you buy, I think you buy foreign slab for CSI in that business on the West Coast. So my baseline assumption is that business starts to see some higher cost in the third quarter. I think that's what you may have been alluding to on the earlier comments.

And then secondly, just maybe give us a view of what you're seeing on just your own energy and electricity cost side and how those things are trending overall? Thank you.

Look, Phil, a few things. And yes, it's the short answer. The tariffs on slabs have already been taken already are in effect. And so that change is already upon us. But again, Noah Handers and the sheet group continue to do a great job.

We have not unlike our raw materials, the incredible flexibility to pivot and again self supply if we chose. But Noah you want to just touch base on a few of the things that you and your teams are doing there to again mitigate some of this impact.

Yes. Just a couple of small things to add here. One, we as Leon mentioned and as you see in our raw material strategy, we have the ability to go source anywhere in the world and domestically. And our team exercises that ability and they're really adept at finding us the lowest cost solution. So while we do have some exposure to the Brazilian tariff and you see a little bit of that compression in the in our outlook on third quarter is due to that tariff impact to Brazil.

We also have the ability to self supply. We're shipping their internal finished hot rolled tons that CSI is then able to transform at very competitive cost. And then we are able to source from other international other sources internationally at very competitive cost. So our team is doing an awesome job managing the impact of the tariffs and we're able to continue to serve the West Coast market profitably.

Phil, just to round out your question on energy. Energy costs are up a little bit year over year. They're down quarter over quarter, but they're for us, they're a little over $40 a ton in our steelmaking. And in terms of outlook, we put that relatively flat in the next couple of quarters going ahead.

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